Wednesday, November 05, 2008

hate wins out

I could never say this half as well. I am grateful for Digby's ability to put into words what the victory of hate over love means in California:

How people can vote for the first African American president in American history, with all that implies, while simultaneously voting to discriminate against gays is testament to the incoherence of American politics and the lack of clear cut philosophy guiding people's choices. Everyone says there's too much ideology in our politics but I'd say there isn't enough. There isn't enough common sense either. Discrimination against others just because you don't like how they live their lives is against the very essence of the two pillars of America --- liberty and equality. To fail to see that even as you vote for an historic, important first African American is incoherent.

I keep hearing about how this will right itself in the long run, that it's just a matter of waiting until this new generation gets old enough and then gay rights will magically be "granted." I hope that's true. But to paraphrase a saying that's been overused lately -- in the long run all of today's gay partners and gay parents will be dead. These soothing tones of "patience" and "don't worry" don't mean much when you consider that you only have one life to live.

It's terrific that we are seeing a decline in racism to the extent that we are able to elect a black president. We've come a long way and there's no taking anything away from those who waged the struggle over all these centuries. But our society is not truly changed if it's still writing discrimination into law.

It's as if we just can't be America unless we are taking active steps to marginalize somebody.

Go read. My joy over the rejection of right wing ideology by the majority of people in this country is profoundly tempered by the sickening triumph of hate in California.

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Blogger Chris said...


November 05, 2008 6:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it is not over until we win equality and hate cannot win unless discrimination is legally endorsed. Just a stumbling block here, thats all. A way for voices of opposition to be heard and then put to bed as fanatical fringe.

November 06, 2008 8:30 AM  
Blogger Helen said...

I totally agree. It is sickening to me that my fellow Californians voted that our niece cannot be (or maybe is not now? I don't even understand how you can un-marry people without their consent) married to her partner/co-parent of their son. The amazing, joy-inducing victory of our choice for president is definitely tempered by this. How can a state who votes overwhelmingly for President Obama (I love writing that) be so filled with hate? Actually, I think it's ignorance (isn't that what hate IS?). I hate ignorance.

November 06, 2008 3:53 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

I am humiliated beyond words that the hate-filled fuckwits on the evangelical right were able to sway usually intelligent voters with their lies and outright bullshit.

But all is not lost yet...three lawsuits have been filed already, one by the ACLU.

Gotta have hope that good will triumph over evil..we gotta have hope.

November 06, 2008 4:50 PM  
Blogger Chris said...

We need to be greatful for Barack Obama...Calif. was 48% against Prop.8, and now we have to work toward we've learned with other civil rights movements, it's been a long time coming! HIstory happened on Nov. 4th, it's just a matter of time before it happens again...but not without work, organization, funding and commitment.........

November 06, 2008 11:33 PM  
Blogger Joe said...

I am still truly bereft and trying to look to the future without clinging to the same kind of hatred and bile that supporters of this Amendment expressed on Tuesday.

It's difficult, but I also know that time is ultimately on "our" side. I'm getting very, very tired of waiting, though.

I need a hug or two.

November 08, 2008 4:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How can the first black American President simultaneously say marriage should only be between a man and a woman and for Californians to vote no on Prop. 8?

November 08, 2008 8:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I do believe that one day, gay rights will be a non-issue. I also agree that we can not simply sit by and wait for everyone to die for this to happen.

Prop 8 and other anti-gay measures were passed. This is a set-back so we can set ourselfs up for success. Our task at hand is to regroup and get a new strategy and continue the good fight for our rights.

November 17, 2008 10:34 AM  

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